STONE MOUNTAIN, Georgia: Petition to remake Confederate monument splits Georgians | The Lookout – Yahoo! News

English: Photo of the carving on Stone Mountain, granite dome located in Georgia, USA. Carving displays figures of Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Depending on whom you ask, the enormous monument carved into Georgia’s Stone Mountain is either a proud statement or a blight and an embarrassment.

Depicting the only president of the Confederate States, Jefferson Davis, riding beside Gens. Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, it’s two football fields wide, making it the largest of its kind.

The NBC station 11 Alive reports that a petition that seeks to remake this famous—and infamous—landmark is causing controversy.

English: Cropped giant image at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Stone_mountain_closeup_mosaic.jpg (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

“It’s almost like a black eye or an embarrassing smudge on our culture,” the petition’s creator, McCartney Forde, told local 11.

Forde’s online petition on Change.org calls for changes to be made to the mountainside carving, first conceived in 1923 by a charter member of the Daughters of the Confederacy but not completed until 1972.

He writes, “The three men embossed on the face of arguably the most famous landmark in the great state of Georgia are icons for what is widely considered the darkest period in our nation’s history. … It is a monument that perpetuates the perception of Georgia as an icon of racism, slavery and oppression.”

Forde suggests that the current carving be removed and replaced with a monument to Georgia veterans.

Keep Stone Mountain Carving A Confederate Memorial….. – 05/01/2013 – Chattanoogan.com

Cover of Lee and Jackson

A young man asked me why do they want to change the carving at Stone Mountain Park?The question should also be why do some people continue to try erasing history?

There is a petition drive to change the beautiful historic carving at Stone Mountain Memorial Park near Atlanta, Georgia? See link below of news story from 11 Alive of Atlanta, Georgia including their interview with me.

A special thank you to Mr. Dan Coleman who participated in the debate that followed: http://www.11alive.com/news/article/290674/3/Petition-wants-Stone-Mt-Confederate-carving-removedRead what I said including, “Like previous campaigns criticizing other Confederate Memorials, he sees the petition to remove the carving of Jefferson, Lee and Jackson as an attack on the truth.

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http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2012/04/01/the-sayonara-marines-japan-1950s-camp-mcgill-d-u-k-w-s-ducks/

The WW II DUCKWS ARE ALIVE AND WELL @ STONE MOUNTAIN, GEORGIA !!!!!

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150 years later, Virginia treats Lincoln like a hero (Hooray for Hollywood)

150 years later, Virginia treats Lincoln like a hero (Hooray for Hollywood)

SF Gate ^ | April 11, 2013 | Christine Delsol

Jefferson Davis President 1861–1865 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

 

Posted on Friday, April 12, 2013 1:06:29 PM by Colonel Kangaroo

As the capital of the Confederate States of America, Richmond, Va. could hardly be described as a supporter of Abraham Lincoln; its grand Monument Avenue is chock-full of oversized statues of heroes of the Confederacy, including Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis and Jeb Stuart. But now, nearly 150 years after the Civil War ended, Lincoln – or at least the movie version of him – is Richmond’s new hero…

Abraham Lincoln (Photo credit: casually_cruel)

Lincoln’s Inversion of the American Union – Donald W. Livingston – Mises Daily

Part 5 of “The Secession Tradition in America,” a paper presented at the 1995 Mises Institute conference, “Secession, State, and Economy.” Click here for Part 4, “Peaceful Disunion in Europe.”

 

The moral grandeur of Lincoln is rooted in the myth that he made a war on the South to abolish slavery. This is, at most, a Platonic noble lie designed to legitimate the Unionist regime. Lincoln thought that slavery was immoral, but so did Robert E. Lee.

 

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And Lee, at his own expense, freed the slaves he had inherited, through marriage, from the family of George Washington. Only around fifteen percent of southerners even owned slaves, and the great majority of these had holdings of one to six. Jefferson Davis was an enlightened slave holder who said that once the Confederacy gained its independence, it would mean the end of slavery. The Confederate Cabinet agreed to abolish slavery within five years after the cessation of hostilities in exchange for recognition by Britain and France. Southerners were not fighting to preserve slavery, but simply and solely because they were being invaded. And the North certainly did not invade to abolish slavery.

 

 

Tom DiLorenzo on Abraham Lincoln, US Authoritarianism and Manipulated History by Scott Smith (“Daily Bell: Why was Lincoln assassinated? Did he break with the monetary backers of the Civil War in your opinion?”)

 

Daily Bell: Why was Lincoln assassinated? Did he break with the monetary backers of the Civil War in your opinion?

Thomas DiLorenzo, Illinois – crop (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Thomas DiLorenzo: As for why Lincoln was assassinated, I suspect it was simply an act of revenge for having micromanaged the murder of hundreds of thousands of fellow American citizens from the Southern states; burning

English: Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth President of the United States. Latviešu: Abrahams Linkolns, sešpadsmitais ASV prezidents. Српски / Srpski: Абрахам Линколн, шеснаести председник Сједињених Америчких Држава. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

many of their cities and towns to the ground; and plundering tens of millions of dollars of private property.

191st Birthday Tribute to General Forrest

Nelson W. Winbush, a Black and respected member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, as a child accompanied his grandfather Louis Napoleon Nelson to United Confederate Veteran Reunions. Private Nelson was a Black Confederate who saw service during the War Between the States Battles of Shiloh, Lookout Mountain, Brice’s Crossroads and Vicksburg—as a soldier and served as chaplain in the 7th Tennessee Cavalry, under Lt. General Nathan Bedford Forrest.

It should be also noted that after the War Between the States, Bedford Forrest returned home with the ‘free’ black men who fought with him.

Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, CSA (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Sixty-five black troopers were with the General when he surrendered his command in May 1865. Forrest said of these black soldiers, “No finer Confederates ever fought.”

Remembering Jefferson Davis: American Patriot & Southern Hero

NSRW Jefferson Davis (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Remembering Jefferson Davis: American Patriot & Southern Hero

Canada Free Press ^ | June 3, 2012 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

Posted on Monday, June 04, 2012 9:00:58 AM by BigReb555

Do you and your family know what is considered by some folks the largest monument to an American?

President in petticoats (Jefferson Davis) UK Daily Mail

President in petticoats (Jefferson Davis)
UK Daily Mail ^ | May 8, 2012 | Jennifer Madison

Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:14:45 AM by C19fan

He led the Confederacy during its charge for succession. But after its inglorious surrender in the American Civil War, President of the Confederate States, Jefferson Davis, was very much caught with his skirt up, according to these propaganda photographs.

Jefferson Davis President 1861–1865 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

The statesman, who became a political fugitive after the South fell, is said to have fled in such haste he grabbed his wife’s overcoat rather than his own – a story re-imagined by northern artists depicting reports of his capture in a woman’s petticoat……….

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The dots of history Have Been connected for You — Confederate non-Surrender…

Dear Brethren (hundreds bcc herein-permission to forward),

 

 

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  For nearly 20 years the Confederate Society of America has been providing you with detailed information drawn from many Historical Sources that would substantiate our many claims heretofore described by our adversaries as ‘baseless allegations’.

 During this time period we have equally called for the development and advancement of a Confederate Alliance consisting of like-minded organizations whose basic conscript is the recognition of another’s Independent Sovereignty without which, there would be no such advancement.

From this Alliance, additional & key information has continually come forth, equally supporting our position thanks to our Confederate Colleagues within them.

 

Therefore, and with your permission, let me provide y’all with an ‘incorporation’ of those MANY materials heretofore sent out wherein the…..

‘Historical Dots I Have Heretofore Suggested You Connect, Have Been Connected For You’:

 

Mark Steyn on Jefferson Davis’ Fabulous New Splash in California History Textbooks

HH: We begin as we do on Thursdays when we are lucky with Columnist To the World, Mark Steyn. Mark, welcome back, it’s good to talk to you again.

MS: Hey, great to be with you, and I’m honored to be the warm-up act for that lineup. Wow, that is one A list lineup, Hugh.

HH: But I’ve got to ask you, I heard, I learned for the first time this week listening to you fill in for Rush that it is a condition of your continued stay in the United States that you not foment revolution.

MS: (laughing) Well, anyone who has ever gone through U.S. immigration, for example, knows there are some very odd questions in there. There’s a question they ask that says were you a member of the National Socialist Party of Germany between the years 1933 and 1945? And I gather Mohammed Atta aced that part of the test.

HH: (laughing)

MS: So you know, the test doesn’t get updated terribly often. But there is, I believe there is a condition there that as a condition of my continued residency in the United States, that I not foment the overthrow of the United States government. So I was eager to emphasize to Rush listeners that there was no fomenting going on in the program whatsoever.

HH: Well then, I tremble at the prospect of asking you about the Gang of Six, because it was hailed as the salvation of America. And I’m going to challenge Tom Coburn about it, but you’re not enamored of the Gang of Six.

MS: No, and as I say, emphasizing the non-fomenting nature of my disagreement…

HH: (laughing)

MS: …I wouldn’t entirely be averse to the collapse of the United States government right at the moment, in a purely non-fomenting sense, Hugh.

HH: (laughing) Bystander.

MS: …I hasten to add, in case some Border Patrol guy is listening.

HH: (laughing)

MS: No, because for a start, this whole debate in the media has been framed dishonestly. You know, the world is not watching just to see Congress pass a debt ceiling increase. The world is watching to see if the American political class is willing to get serious about America’s unsustainable level of government spending, because the various holders of U.S. Treasury debt do not want to be dragged down with a collapsed dollar and a collapsed United States government. And by the way, these are not, people tend to think that this sort of debt stuff just affects foreigners. I mean, if you’ve got a pension fund, if you’ve got insurance funds, all these things, municipal, state and municipal funds, these are all among the biggest buyers of U.S. Treasury debt. And so it’s not just the Chinese and the Japanese and the British. There’s a lot of people in America who are going to be affected by the depravity and incompetence of the political class.

HH: I am also going to raise with Senator Coburn my first objection,

via Mark Steyn on Jefferson Davis’ Fabulous New Splash in California History Textbooks.

Genesis of the Civil War…

The last ten years have brought us a flurry of great books that look beneath the surface. There is John Denson’s “The Costs of War” 1998, Jeffrey Rodgers Hummel’s “Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men” 1996, David Gordon’s “Secession, State, and Liberty” 1998, Marshall de Rosa’s “The Confederate Constitution” 1991, or, from a more popular standpoint, James and Walter Kennedy‘s “Was Jefferson Davis Right?” 1998. But if we were to recommend one work — based on originality, brevity, depth, and sheer rhetorical power — it would be Charles Adams’ time bomb of a book, “When in the Course of Human Events: Arguing the Case for Southern Secession” Rowman & Littlefield, 2000. In a mere 242 pages, he shows that almost everything we thought we knew about the war between the states is wrong. Adams believes that both Northern and Southern leaders were lying when they invoked slavery as a reason for secession and for the war. Northerners were seeking a moral pretext for an aggressive war, while Southern leaders were seeking a threat more concrete than the Northern tariff to justify a drive to political independence. This was rhetoric designed for mass consumption . Adams amasses an amazing amount of evidence — including remarkable editorial cartoons and political speeches — to support his thesis that the war was really about government revenue………………

Secession and Liberty ~ Thomas DiLorenzo…

…After the war Jefferson Davis was imprisoned in the harshest of conditions but was never tried for treason, and for good reason: The federal government knew that it had no constitutional case against secession, as Charles Adams describes in his brilliant book, When in the Course of Human Events.

After his release from prison Jefferson Davis wrote what would have been his legal defense of secession in the form of a two-volume book, The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government.The centralization of governmental power not only leads to the looting and plundering of the taxpaying class by the parasitic class; it also slowly destroys freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas. One of the first things every tyrannical government does is to monopolize the educational system in order to brainwash the young and bolster its political power. As soon as Lee surrendered at Appomatox the federal government began revising history to teach that secession was illegitimate.

This was all a part of Lincoln’s “revolution” which overthrew the federal system of government created by the founding fathers and put into motion the forces of centralized governmental power. Peaceful secession and nullification are the only means of returning to a system of government that respects rather than destroys individual liberty.

As Frank Choderov wrote in 1952: “If for no other reason, personal pride should prompt every governor and state legislator to take a secessionist attitude; they were not elected to be lackeys of the federal bureaucracy.”……………

The Lincoln Myth, Slavery and The Confederate Purpose & Message!…

Dear Brethren (hundreds bcc herein), 

 

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The Lincoln Myth, Slavery and The Confederate Purpose & Message!

For 20 years, the Confederate Society of America has been telling you what you will see and hear herein that Fox news is only now bringing to ‘light’. (please watch the you-tube link herein)

Why is Lincoln & the REAL reasons surrounding the Confederacy’s origin & purpose, only now being visited, approached & raised when heretofore it was prevented from ever being heard or remotely taught in the American classroom?

The answer to that question is simple-  because this Federal Government has gotten away with wholesale demagoguery disguised as ‘democracy’ while growing itself into a larger than life Leviathan at the expense of every Man, Woman & Child in this Country while systematically subverting your liberty, freedom’s & stealing YOUR money in the process.

They used the mantra of Civil Rights to create a ‘Social Welfare’ state that enabled them to further develop & procure a Political Ideology that has everything to do with the establishment of a

Global Oligarch and absolutely NOTHING to do with the simplicity of the Republic we once were & the Individuality & Sovereignty once associated with it.

The TRUTH can No longer be cleverly hidden or altered any more and the real reasons surrounding the ‘so-called’ American Civil War had to come to light— & just as it was predicted by

President Jefferson Davis of the Confederate Republic long ago.

The economic depravity being realized, felt and witnessed by every man, woman & child within America today, is the direct result caused by the creation of the Federal Reserve System and Banks that has effectively transferred via legal theft,  our Tax money’s from their intended use by the U.S. Treasury, and into the hands of private bankers and International profiteers.

The American people have been lied to by this Federal Oligarchy, deliberately mis-educated and lead down a ‘garden path’ that has stripped everyone of their money, liberty & freedom’s.

This Federal Government has usurped all that we were to have been through the designed introduction & alteration of our political, economic & cultural basis at various junctures in our History—beginning with the Reconstruction of the South’s Confederacy in 1865 which was truly the beginning of the Political Reconstruction of this entire Republic.

It would be followed with the Economic Reconstruction (the creation of the Federal Reserve System in 1913) and the Cultural Reconstruction in the 1960′s that used Civil Rights to cloak all that was in play— particularly the Revised Immigration Act of 1965 that was the real sleeping serpent in the closet that put the Feds ‘over the top’.

In the Real, Root Cause & Purpose of the Confederate Cause, lays the Truth and the Salvation for this Republic!

If you come to understand why we Confederates fought, you might stand a chance of saving yourselves, your family’s and your children.

The War for Southern Independence was fought NOT because of Slavery, but because we Confederates saw ALL that would come to pass that each of YOU are seeing & realizing today.

As such, anything remotely associated with the word Confederate has been so demonized and deliberately mis-portrayed that any attempt by us that literally were pleas to you to

LISTEN TO WHAT WE WERE SAYING, was vanquished by the very same system & people that are destroying YOU today.

I will say it again— the majority of the Founding Fathers were Confederates.

They wrote YOUR U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Identity/Independence.

Do YOU think that they would have taken such leave of their minds only 70 years after they were written to fight a War over a SINGLE issue?

150 Years ago today – Jefferson Davis was elected President of the Confederate States of America.

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150 Years ago today – Jefferson Davis was elected President of the Confederate States of America.on this day

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“The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a ‘rebellion’ is a gross abuse of language.” — Jefferson Davis Pres. CSA

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As for why Lincoln was assassinated, I suspect it was simply an act of revenge for having micromanaged the murder of hundreds of thousands of fellow American citizens ~ Thomas James DiLorenzo on Abraham Lincoln, U.S. Authoritarianism and Manipulated History

Thomas DiLorenzo:

As for why Lincoln was assassinated, I suspect it was simply an act of revenge for having micromanaged the murder of hundreds of thousands of fellow American citizens from the Southern states; burning many of their cities and towns to the ground; and plundering tens of millions of dollars of private property. Southerners also knew that Lincoln had attempted to have their president, Jefferson Davis, assassinated by Union Army soldiers. Look up “The Dahlgren Raid” on the Web…

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“States Rights? Damn right! ~ “The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.” — Jefferson Davis, First President CSA”

States Rights? Damn right!”The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.” — Jefferson Davis, First President CSA

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