STONE MOUNTAIN, Georgia: Petition to remake Confederate monument splits Georgians | The Lookout – Yahoo! News
Depending on whom you ask, the enormous monument carved into Georgia’s Stone Mountain is either a proud statement or a blight and an embarrassment.
The NBC station 11 Alive reports that a petition that seeks to remake this famous—and infamous—landmark is causing controversy.
“It’s almost like a black eye or an embarrassing smudge on our culture,” the petition’s creator, McCartney Forde, told local 11.
Forde’s online petition on Change.org calls for changes to be made to the mountainside carving, first conceived in 1923 by a charter member of the Daughters of the Confederacy but not completed until 1972.
He writes, “The three men embossed on the face of arguably the most famous landmark in the great state of Georgia are icons for what is widely considered the darkest period in our nation’s history. … It is a monument that perpetuates the perception of Georgia as an icon of racism, slavery and oppression.”
Forde suggests that the current carving be removed and replaced with a monument to Georgia veterans.
A young man asked me why do they want to change the carving at Stone Mountain Park?The question should also be why do some people continue to try erasing history?
There is a petition drive to change the beautiful historic carving at Stone Mountain Memorial Park near Atlanta, Georgia? See link below of news story from 11 Alive of Atlanta, Georgia including their interview with me.
A special thank you to Mr. Dan Coleman who participated in the debate that followed: http://www.11alive.com/news/article/290674/3/Petition-wants-Stone-Mt-Confederate-carving-removedRead what I said including, “Like previous campaigns criticizing other Confederate Memorials, he sees the petition to remove the carving of Jefferson, Lee and Jackson as an attack on the truth.
The WW II DUCKWS ARE ALIVE AND WELL @ STONE MOUNTAIN, GEORGIA !!!!!
SF Gate ^ | April 11, 2013 | Christine Delsol
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2013 1:06:29 PM by Colonel Kangaroo
As the capital of the Confederate States of America, Richmond, Va. could hardly be described as a supporter of Abraham Lincoln; its grand Monument Avenue is chock-full of oversized statues of heroes of the Confederacy, including Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis and Jeb Stuart. But now, nearly 150 years after the Civil War ended, Lincoln – or at least the movie version of him – is Richmond’s new hero…
Part 5 of “The Secession Tradition in America,” a paper presented at the 1995 Mises Institute conference, “Secession, State, and Economy.” Click here for Part 4, “Peaceful Disunion in Europe.”
The moral grandeur of Lincoln is rooted in the myth that he made a war on the South to abolish slavery. This is, at most, a Platonic noble lie designed to legitimate the Unionist regime. Lincoln thought that slavery was immoral, but so did Robert E. Lee.
And Lee, at his own expense, freed the slaves he had inherited, through marriage, from the family of George Washington. Only around fifteen percent of southerners even owned slaves, and the great majority of these had holdings of one to six. Jefferson Davis was an enlightened slave holder who said that once the Confederacy gained its independence, it would mean the end of slavery. The Confederate Cabinet agreed to abolish slavery within five years after the cessation of hostilities in exchange for recognition by Britain and France. Southerners were not fighting to preserve slavery, but simply and solely because they were being invaded. And the North certainly did not invade to abolish slavery.
Tom DiLorenzo on Abraham Lincoln, US Authoritarianism and Manipulated History by Scott Smith (“Daily Bell: Why was Lincoln assassinated? Did he break with the monetary backers of the Civil War in your opinion?”)
Thomas DiLorenzo: As for why Lincoln was assassinated, I suspect it was simply an act of revenge for having micromanaged the murder of hundreds of thousands of fellow American citizens from the Southern states; burning
many of their cities and towns to the ground; and plundering tens of millions of dollars of private property.
Nelson W. Winbush, a Black and respected member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, as a child accompanied his grandfather Louis Napoleon Nelson to United Confederate Veteran Reunions. Private Nelson was a Black Confederate who saw service during the War Between the States Battles of Shiloh, Lookout Mountain, Brice’s Crossroads and Vicksburg—as a soldier and served as chaplain in the 7th Tennessee Cavalry, under Lt. General Nathan Bedford Forrest.
It should be also noted that after the War Between the States, Bedford Forrest returned home with the ‘free’ black men who fought with him.
Sixty-five black troopers were with the General when he surrendered his command in May 1865. Forrest said of these black soldiers, “No finer Confederates ever fought.”
Remembering Jefferson Davis: American Patriot & Southern Hero
Canada Free Press ^ | June 3, 2012 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.
Posted on Monday, June 04, 2012 9:00:58 AM by BigReb555
Do you and your family know what is considered by some folks the largest monument to an American?
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:14:45 AM by C19fan
He led the Confederacy during its charge for succession. But after its inglorious surrender in the American Civil War, President of the Confederate States, Jefferson Davis, was very much caught with his skirt up, according to these propaganda photographs.
The statesman, who became a political fugitive after the South fell, is said to have fled in such haste he grabbed his wife’s overcoat rather than his own – a story re-imagined by northern artists depicting reports of his capture in a woman’s petticoat……….
Dear Brethren (hundreds bcc herein-permission to forward),
For nearly 20 years the Confederate Society of America has been providing you with detailed information drawn from many Historical Sources that would substantiate our many claims heretofore described by our adversaries as ‘baseless allegations’.
During this time period we have equally called for the development and advancement of a Confederate Alliance consisting of like-minded organizations whose basic conscript is the recognition of another’s Independent Sovereignty without which, there would be no such advancement.
From this Alliance, additional & key information has continually come forth, equally supporting our position thanks to our Confederate Colleagues within them.
Therefore, and with your permission, let me provide y’all with an ‘incorporation’ of those MANY materials heretofore sent out wherein the…..
‘Historical Dots I Have Heretofore Suggested You Connect, Have Been Connected For You’:
HH: We begin as we do on Thursdays when we are lucky with Columnist To the World, Mark Steyn. Mark, welcome back, it’s good to talk to you again.
MS: Hey, great to be with you, and I’m honored to be the warm-up act for that lineup. Wow, that is one A list lineup, Hugh.
HH: But I’ve got to ask you, I heard, I learned for the first time this week listening to you fill in for Rush that it is a condition of your continued stay in the United States that you not foment revolution.
MS: (laughing) Well, anyone who has ever gone through U.S. immigration, for example, knows there are some very odd questions in there. There’s a question they ask that says were you a member of the National Socialist Party of Germany between the years 1933 and 1945? And I gather Mohammed Atta aced that part of the test.
MS: So you know, the test doesn’t get updated terribly often. But there is, I believe there is a condition there that as a condition of my continued residency in the United States, that I not foment the overthrow of the United States government. So I was eager to emphasize to Rush listeners that there was no fomenting going on in the program whatsoever.
HH: Well then, I tremble at the prospect of asking you about the Gang of Six, because it was hailed as the salvation of America. And I’m going to challenge Tom Coburn about it, but you’re not enamored of the Gang of Six.
MS: No, and as I say, emphasizing the non-fomenting nature of my disagreement…
MS: …I wouldn’t entirely be averse to the collapse of the United States government right at the moment, in a purely non-fomenting sense, Hugh.
HH: (laughing) Bystander.
MS: …I hasten to add, in case some Border Patrol guy is listening.
MS: No, because for a start, this whole debate in the media has been framed dishonestly. You know, the world is not watching just to see Congress pass a debt ceiling increase. The world is watching to see if the American political class is willing to get serious about America’s unsustainable level of government spending, because the various holders of U.S. Treasury debt do not want to be dragged down with a collapsed dollar and a collapsed United States government. And by the way, these are not, people tend to think that this sort of debt stuff just affects foreigners. I mean, if you’ve got a pension fund, if you’ve got insurance funds, all these things, municipal, state and municipal funds, these are all among the biggest buyers of U.S. Treasury debt. And so it’s not just the Chinese and the Japanese and the British. There’s a lot of people in America who are going to be affected by the depravity and incompetence of the political class.
HH: I am also going to raise with Senator Coburn my first objection,
The last ten years have brought us a flurry of great books that look beneath the surface. There is John Denson’s “The Costs of War” 1998, Jeffrey Rodgers Hummel’s “Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men” 1996, David Gordon’s “Secession, State, and Liberty” 1998, Marshall de Rosa’s “The Confederate Constitution” 1991, or, from a more popular standpoint, James and Walter Kennedy‘s “Was Jefferson Davis Right?” 1998. But if we were to recommend one work — based on originality, brevity, depth, and sheer rhetorical power — it would be Charles Adams’ time bomb of a book, “When in the Course of Human Events: Arguing the Case for Southern Secession” Rowman & Littlefield, 2000. In a mere 242 pages, he shows that almost everything we thought we knew about the war between the states is wrong. Adams believes that both Northern and Southern leaders were lying when they invoked slavery as a reason for secession and for the war. Northerners were seeking a moral pretext for an aggressive war, while Southern leaders were seeking a threat more concrete than the Northern tariff to justify a drive to political independence. This was rhetoric designed for mass consumption . Adams amasses an amazing amount of evidence — including remarkable editorial cartoons and political speeches — to support his thesis that the war was really about government revenue………………
…After the war Jefferson Davis was imprisoned in the harshest of conditions but was never tried for treason, and for good reason: The federal government knew that it had no constitutional case against secession, as Charles Adams describes in his brilliant book, When in the Course of Human Events.
After his release from prison Jefferson Davis wrote what would have been his legal defense of secession in the form of a two-volume book, The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government.The centralization of governmental power not only leads to the looting and plundering of the taxpaying class by the parasitic class; it also slowly destroys freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas. One of the first things every tyrannical government does is to monopolize the educational system in order to brainwash the young and bolster its political power. As soon as Lee surrendered at Appomatox the federal government began revising history to teach that secession was illegitimate.
This was all a part of Lincoln’s “revolution” which overthrew the federal system of government created by the founding fathers and put into motion the forces of centralized governmental power. Peaceful secession and nullification are the only means of returning to a system of government that respects rather than destroys individual liberty.
As Frank Choderov wrote in 1952: “If for no other reason, personal pride should prompt every governor and state legislator to take a secessionist attitude; they were not elected to be lackeys of the federal bureaucracy.”……………
The Lincoln Myth, Slavery and The Confederate Purpose & Message!
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150 Years ago today – Jefferson Davis was elected President of the Confederate States of America.on this day
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“The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a ‘rebellion’ is a gross abuse of language.” — Jefferson Davis Pres. CSA
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As for why Lincoln was assassinated, I suspect it was simply an act of revenge for having micromanaged the murder of hundreds of thousands of fellow American citizens ~ Thomas James DiLorenzo on Abraham Lincoln, U.S. Authoritarianism and Manipulated History
As for why Lincoln was assassinated, I suspect it was simply an act of revenge for having micromanaged the murder of hundreds of thousands of fellow American citizens from the Southern states; burning many of their cities and towns to the ground; and plundering tens of millions of dollars of private property. Southerners also knew that Lincoln had attempted to have their president, Jefferson Davis, assassinated by Union Army soldiers. Look up “The Dahlgren Raid” on the Web…