I am tempted to call it the most important essay on advancing liberty since Friedrich Hayek’s The Intellectuals and Socialism, perhaps even more important.I have long argued here at EPJ that direct confrontation with the government makes little sense.
I have also argued that the problem with most revolutions is that generally what occurs is that one bad actor is simply replaced with another.North in his essay argues that this is the nature of revolution. He writes: Revolutions centralize power. In order to fight centralized power militarily, you must centralize power, and this only leads to a shift of loyalty to a new group of centralists…. Revolutionaries have to have a centralized agenda.
Either it’s open, or it isn’t. But there is always a centralized agenda with every revolutionary movement. Every revolutionary always thinks his revolution is going to be the last one. Every revolutionary thinks that when he gets in control of the hierarchical chain of command, things are going to be different.
Coach is Right ^ | 3/14/14 | Kevin “Coach” Collins
Posted on Friday, March 14, 2014 12:09:03 PM by Oldpuppymax
Secession is a word we have not heard much about for a while. Past secession movements have centered on grievances over tolls and taxes which are not items people have been willing to fight out to the bitter end. Those movements failed because local and state governments eventually addressed the would-be secessionists’ demands.
He advertised his book in an October 20 article in Salon entitled “Just Secede Already.” Oh, if only we could.Hatred of and bigotry toward Southerners is of course nothing new.
The New England “Yankees” of the early nineteenth century thought of themselves as God’s chosen people and deplored the immigration into the country of lesser humans from parts of Europe other than their own little section of the British Isles – especially the loathsome Catholic immigrants from Germany, Ireland, and Italy See Albion’s Seed by David Hackett Fisher.
Pat rightly observes that in just the last few years some 25 nations have broken free of mother countries and formed their own independent states. And, no, most of these separations did NOT require violent revolution. In addition, talk of secession is currently going on in at least six other regions of the world. And, as Buchanan correctly observes, the spirit of secession is very much alive and well in the United States.
Constructive secession by Red States: Real possibility unless King Barack I is stopped « Coach is Right
By Kevin “Coach” Collins
Patrick J. Buchannan has raised the question asked here fifteen months ago: Is there a peaceful civil secession of Red States underway? Originally raised here in July 2012, we asked if there wasn’t a real possibility of what we described as a “constructive secession” which would accomplish what The Confederacy could not achieve.
As we described the situation those states that have grown tired of the overbearing Barack Obama Administration and see it as no longer intolerable could engage in conduct that would amount to de facto if not a de jure secession from the United States.
Ten Neo-Confederate Myths
March 9, 2013 | vanity
Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:19:44 AM by BroJoeK
Ten Neo-Confederate Myths (+one)
“Secession was not all about slavery.”
In fact, a study of the earliest secessionists documents shows, when they bother to give reasons at all, their only major concern was to protect the institution of slavery.
If you want to secede Get a Militia and a Currency First!
Mr. Rense: You’re ALWAYS on the RIGHT ‘page’ at the RIGHT time!
Director of Public Engagement for the White House, Jon Carson, finally responded to secession petitions on the White House website.Instead of addressing each of the state petitions, of which there where several that met the 25,000 signature response level, he responded to an anti-secession petition titled “Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.”
Petitions for states to secede were denied citing that “more than 600,000 Americans died in a long and bloody civil war that vindicated the principle that the Constitution establishes a permanent union between the States.”
Livingston about the legality of secession, be sure and check out the rest of the interview in today’s transcript, “What happens with secession in America, if it’s constitutionally done, a state, being a sovereign political society, has a convention of its people and they vote an ordinance of secession to withdraw the compact with the United States and to secede.
Of course, if they do that, then they have to deal with their share of the public debt and other obligations they incurred in the union. Once they’ve done that, they’ve seceded. The Supreme Court has no say over this. After all, they’re an independent country.
“When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another …”
The declaration was signed by 56 angry old white guys who had had enough of what the Cousins were doing to them. In seceding from the mother country, these patriots put their lives, fortunes and honor on the line.
Four score and five years later, 11 states invoked the same right “to dissolve the political bands” of the Union and form a new nation. After 620,000 had perished, the issue of a state’s right to secede was settled at Appomattox. If that right had existed, it no longer did.
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Is all the recent talk of secession mere sour grapes over the election or perhaps something deeper? Currently there are active petitions in support of secession for all 50 states, with Texas taking the lead in number of signatures.
Texas has well over the number of signatures needed to generate a response from the administration, and while I wouldn’t hold my breath on Texas actually seceding, I believe these petitions raise a lot of worthwhile questions about the nature of our union.
In his weekly update, released today, Congressman Ron Paul defends those who have signed petitions in all 50 states advocating secession from the federal government, referring to the principle as “deeply American”.
Echoing comments he made back in 2009, Paul notes “This country was born through secession. Some thought it was treasonous to secede from England, but those “traitors” became our country’s greatest patriots.”
“…the principles of self-government and voluntary association are at the core of our founding….There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.” the Congressman adds.
Explaining that the recent election only served to further entrench the political status quo, Paul urges “…our own federal government is vastly overstepping its constitutional bounds with no signs of reform.” He reminds Americans that “the first and third paragraph of the Declaration of Independence expressly contemplate the dissolution of a political union when the underlying government becomes tyrannical.”
All the buzz in the aftermath of the last election is that secession is in the air. Despite the improbable prospects that the globalists, that control the federal government, would allow the upstart masses to leave the dominion of Disunion States, it is promising that the country builds critical mass for dissolution. Secession in this day is not your call to arms in the defense of home.
“Honest Abe’s” version of despotism caused many politicians to “Wave the bloody shirt”, but today’s crop of brave leaders just asks you to sign a petition to beg for a cordial severance. Just imagine the response from the unprincipled governmental career class. The re-education FEMA facilities are ready to become today’s “Camp Douglas” detention centers.
The League of the South list Ten Reasons For Secession and offers this assessment. “What is behind this increasing support for secession and independence? Perhaps the answer is this: hard reality has finally trumped the myth of a sacred, indivisible union. In other words, many citizens are beginning to see the hand writing on the wall, and the message is alarming.”
Prison Planet.com » The Second American Revolution is Up to You… (““We are not calling for secession to form new separate countries, we are calling for secession because the states created the Constitution, bill of rights and federal government, and the federal government itself has been hijacked by foreign special interests – mainly banking cartels,” said Jones.“”)
On Thursday’s worldwide syndicated broadcast, radio host Alex Jonescalled for all Americans to take heed that our country has been captured and conquered by the political and financial elite and foreign banking interests.
“We are not calling for secession to form new separate countries, we are calling for secession because the states created the Constitution, bill of rights and federal government, and the federal government itself has been hijacked by foreign special interests – mainly banking cartels,” said Jones.“
I am calling for people to be educated about how we can secede to restore the Republic.”Fresh on the heels of the hundreds of thousands of signed petitions submitted to the White House “We The People” website asking for peaceful withdrawal from the United States, Alex put out the call to rally behind a restoration of the Republic and the Bill of Rights and Constitution, under its original terms, and a new issuance of the Declaration of Independence – a second American revolution, where states would be freed from the international interests that have usurped the country.
WHAT IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW OF PERSONAL SECESSION FROM THE UNION OF THE UNITED STATES? ~ EDRIVERA.COM – United States America Organic Law Taxes Property Jurisdiction Constitution : EDRIVERA.COM
WHAT IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW OF PERSONAL SECESSION FROM THE UNION OF THE UNITED STATES?
The issue of whether or not a State could secede from the first Union, the Confederacy, the United States of America, or the second Union of dependent federal States, was purportedly decided by the War Between the States, however, as that war was prosecuted using the power and authority of the unadopted Constitution of September 17, 1787 and Constitution of the United States, the right of a State to secede from either Union remains unsettled. Secession of a kind is readily available to any individual not confined to territory owned by or subject to the exclusive legislative power of the United States of America.
The legal history and the official written record of the written law and government of the United States of America, after King George III is removed as the head of state and government , is found in the four Organic Laws of the United States of America. The first Organic Law recognizes the inherent freedom of all mankind in general and the American people in particular. The remaining three Organic Laws: the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787 and the Constitution of September 17, 1787 are binding upon the two classes of States which constitute the two Unions. The inhabitants of those States and the territory owned by or subject to the exclusive legislative power of the United States of America are subject to the written law of those States and the United States of America while physically present on the territory belonging to the United States of America.
The beginning is more than half the whole, the ancient philosopher famously said. The ongoing failure of America’s free institutions is especially due to the failure, in this generation, to understand and perpetuate the faith of the founding. The success American liberty has achieved from that time to this owes much to the fact that the outstanding leaders of the founding generation were willing to articulate the reasonable faith that characterized what they called the “genius” of the American people.
Radio host Alex Jones today called for a second American Revolution led by states who would secede from the federal government and reconstitute the Republic under the terms of the Declaration of Independence, bill of rightsand constitution.
The call for Americans to rally behind a restoration of the Republic and the bill of rights comes on the back of a burgeoning secessionist movement that has swept the country with residents from all 50 states submitting petitions to the White House calling for states to withdraw from the union and form their own independent governments. The petitions have received a combined number of signatures totaling over a million.
During his nationwide broadcast today, Jones laid out the battle plan for secession, emphasizing that states must first secede from the federal government, which has gone rogue, and then use the terms of the Declaration of Independence to restore the Republic, not create a new country.
Jones stressed that he was calling for a cultural restoration in the spirit of the bill of rights – a newly unified America under the Constitution – and not a violent overthrow, noting that it was the states that created the Constitution and the federal government in the first place.
Congressman Ron Paul reacted to the secessionist movement sweeping America today by reminding people that the United States seceded from the British empire, while slamming those who suggested their fellow Americans should be deported merely for talking about the idea.
In the aftermath of petitions from all 50 states to secede being posted on the White House website and signed by over a million Americans, the secessionist movement has been portrayed as anti-American, unpatriotic and even treasonous. In reality, as Ron Paul has emphasized, it is as American as apple pie and George Washington.
Paul updated his thoughts on secession during an appearance on C-Span today, noting how “The founders believed in it, there’s no prohibition in the Constitution against secession,” adding that the union was voluntary and therefore secession was also voluntary under the tenth amendment.
By Alan Keyes
Among those still enthralled by the GOP, I guess that a majority would say they still respect America’s Revolutionary founders. And among those who do, some would even profess to adhere to the principles of the Revolution the founders made. Of course, that Revolution was not completed when the representatives of the people in their respective states moved to declare their independence on July 2, 1776.
Nor was it completed once they had supported the declaration made on July 4th by successful battle. But the aim they fought for was provisionally achieved once they united to ordain and establish the Constitution of a general government that respected the Revolution’s principles.
I frequently consult the famous articles on the Constitution produced by some of the American revolutionaries as part of the effort to persuade the people of the respective states to ratify the Constitution. In its compiled and edited form, their commentary has come to be known as “The Federalist.” In Federalist 10, Madison wrote: “In the extent and proper structure of the Union, therefore, we behold a republican remedy for the diseases most incident to republican government. And according to the degree of pleasure and pride we feel in being republicans, ought to be our zeal in cherishing the spirit and supporting the character of Federalists.”
Secession Craze in Post-Coup America… (“According to the World English Dictionary, the French term coup d’état means “a sudden violent or illegal seizure of government.” The federal government of the United States of America has been seized by enemy forces from within our nation.”)
According to the World English Dictionary, the French term coup d’état means “a sudden violent or illegal seizure of government.”
The federal government of the United States of America has been seized by enemy forces from within our nation.
Although not overtly violent at this point, this seizure has been illegal from top to bottom. Since the likely ineligible candidate Barack Obama (or whatever his name is) was installed in our presidency back in January 2009, this takeover has rapidly infected every area of our government and military. It is being run by a Communist-Islamist axis of like-minded, anti-American subversives.
The federal government is tightening its control over the 50 states and the lives of every American. The U.S. Constitution, however, says states are supposed to be equal partners with the federal government. State sovereignty — allowing each state to control its own affairs — is the cornerstone of that equal partnership and critical to protecting Americans’ freedom.
………….3. Secession is treason/unAmerican/craaaazy/for slavers only. Prior to the confederacy, there were some slaveowners who got together and seceded from their government.
They were called Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. If you’re opposed to the secession of 1776, then that’s fine, you might be consistent on this issue, but if you’re one of these right-wing pundits who thinks the Declaration of Independence should be read aloud every July 4, and then says that secession is nutso, you might try actually reading that document you profess to love.
The Declaration makes a simple argument:
1. Humans have rights from the Creator
2. Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we’ll roll with it.)
3. When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.
That’s pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was not such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we’re so much more free now? And no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.
(Do Not Petition The Dictator For Secession) ~ Secession Petitions: Good PR But Bad Politics by Ron Holland
And the Lord spoke unto Moses, go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord: “Let my people go … ” ~ Exodus 8:1
Tens of thousands of Americans are now petitioning the White House wanting to withdraw from the union. Although peoples and regions around the world are in the process of withdrawing from debt laden, failed central governments including Scotland, Venice, Catalonia, Bavaria, Flanders and others, it won’t be as easy here in the USA. While the US petitions generate great PR for the legal right of secession, this is not the way a state or people legally withdraw from the US union.
First, to secede from the federal union on their own individuals must leave the US and renounce their citizenship, a very complicated and expensive process. Second, the legal way for states to withdraw is individually, state-by-state after conducting a state secession convention very much like a state constitutional convention on 10th Amendment issues.
Most of the individual states originally joined the union through this process and it is how individual states must lawfully leave the union. This is the same method followed by the individual Confederate States of America when they withdrew one by one following the election of Abraham Lincoln.
The right of democratic state-by-state secession did not die at the point of a bayonet at Appomattox Court House in 1865 after Lincoln’s invasion killed 600,000 Americans. The growing support for peaceful devolution of government powers and services to regions and local jurisdictions to allow citizens to control the power of politicians and government is a positive advancement for the 21st century. In addition, the right of devolution of states, geographic regions and groups around the world promotes government competition and freedom.
I believe legal state secession from the Washington Empire just might become the only way for American citizens to escape the disastrous consequences of the coming global run to liquidate holdings of Washington Treasury obligations and the dollar. Breaking free of the false chains that threaten our economic future from the likely Washington debt/dollar collapse might be our last chance to safeguard our financial security and liberty from the hyperinflation and crushing new tax increases to be forced on this and future generations from the bailouts and national debt.
Ron Paul: Secession Is an American Principle
By RonPaul.com on November 13, 2012
Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.
Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.
“Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported,” the full petition reads.
The title of the petition is, “WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them.”
As of this writing, 2,205 have signed the petition; 22,795 more signatures are needed for the issue to be addressed by the White House.
Looks like the Obama administration may have to respond to a petition seeking the green light for Texas to secede from the United States-one of 20 such requests filed on the official White House website since Election Day. At the time of the writing of this post, the Texas secession petition had garnered 25,318 signatures-above the White House’s self-imposed rules for requiring a reply.
(A “Recount the election!” petition filed Nov. 10 had 16,238 signatures. “Regulate Internet Pornography“? Not a big winner. It was filed Nov. 4 and had only 501 signatures.)
President Barack Obama has an unexpected foreign policy problem – in the Western United States. The Lakota Sioux nation has seceded from the United States, according to a story on the anti-American website La Voz de Aztlan.
Constructive secession: a frightening possibility unless King Barack I is stopped « « Coach is RightCoach is Right
By Derrick Hollenbeck, staff writer
The Right To Secede by Joseph Sobran… (The original 13 states formed a “Confederation,” under which each state retained its “sovereignty, freedom, and independence.”)
How can the federal government be prevented from usurping powers that the Constitution doesn’t grant to it? It’s an alarming fact that few Americans ask this question anymore.
Our ultimate defense against the federal government is the right of secession. Yes, most people assume that the Civil War settled that. But superior force proves nothing. If there was a right of secession before that war, it should be just as valid now. It wasn’t negated because Northern munitions factories were more efficient than Southern ones.
Among the Founding Fathers there was no doubt. The United States had just seceded from the British Empire, exercising the right of the people to “alter or abolish” — by force, if necessary — a despotic government. The Declaration of Independence is the most famous act of secession in our history, though modern rhetoric makes “secession” sound somehow different from, and more sinister than, claiming independence.
If BHO is reelected, Time for Texas to Secede (Vanity)
July 7, 2012 | no dems
Posted on Saturday, July 07, 2012 1:55:47 PM by no dems
Being a native-born Texan, it is my understanding that Texas is the only State in the Union that can legally secede from the Union, because it was once a Republic on it’s own. (The Republic of Texas.)
Now, someone help me out here: Is that a fact? If so, I’m calling on all Texas FReepers to join me in laying the groundwork to make it happen if Barack Obama is reelected. What do we need to do to start a Secession Movement, and where do we begin? If you’re not a Texan, you don’t understand the Texas mind-set. If BHO is reelected, I guarantee you that Texas would vote 60% – 40% FOR Secession.
Professor Tibor Machan, in his “Lincoln, Secession and Slavery” (6/1/02) has taken the position that while secession in and of itself is unobjectionable to the libertarian, it cannot properly be applied to political jurisdictions which practice slavery. For, if secession rights were allowed to slave owning countries, it would in effect be to justify kidnappers absconding with their victims. He applies this perspective to the United States, circa 1861, and concludes that Abraham Lincoln, for whatever his faults, and Machan concedes they were many and serious, is still “a good American.” Why? This is because he was justified in stopping the Confederate (slave) States from seceding, even though, Machan again stipulates, stopping slavery was no part of Lincoln’s motivation.
While it cannot be denied that this is an interesting viewpoint, even a refreshing one, in that it has not hitherto been broadly discussed, it cannot be reconciled with libertarian principles.
Alex Jones talks Texas secession: “Talk of Texas seceding from the US has always existed, and radio host Alex Jones, speaking from Austin, says the sentiment is very strong as of late. The Lonestar State can pull out from the Union whenever it likes, he says, and he argues that the oil-rich state would be much better off if it broke off from the USA.
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Posted by Gunny G at Friday, May 27, 2011
…After the war Jefferson Davis was imprisoned in the harshest of conditions but was never tried for treason, and for good reason: The federal government knew that it had no constitutional case against secession, as Charles Adams describes in his brilliant book, When in the Course of Human Events.
After his release from prison Jefferson Davis wrote what would have been his legal defense of secession in the form of a two-volume book, The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government.The centralization of governmental power not only leads to the looting and plundering of the taxpaying class by the parasitic class; it also slowly destroys freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas. One of the first things every tyrannical government does is to monopolize the educational system in order to brainwash the young and bolster its political power. As soon as Lee surrendered at Appomatox the federal government began revising history to teach that secession was illegitimate.
This was all a part of Lincoln’s “revolution” which overthrew the federal system of government created by the founding fathers and put into motion the forces of centralized governmental power. Peaceful secession and nullification are the only means of returning to a system of government that respects rather than destroys individual liberty.
As Frank Choderov wrote in 1952: “If for no other reason, personal pride should prompt every governor and state legislator to take a secessionist attitude; they were not elected to be lackeys of the federal bureaucracy.”……………
“…If American citizens are to resist the rush to Obammunism they must first give up on the fantasy that the Republican Party is anything but another cabal of crooks, conmen and clowns, just like the Democratic Party. ” ~The Rush Towards Socialism — and How To Stop It by Thomas DiLorenzo
…If American citizens are to resist the rush to Obammunism they must first give up on the fantasy that the Republican Party is anything but another cabal of crooks, conmen and clowns, just like the Democratic Party.
The only realistic route to freedom, including a restoration of genuine free enterprise, is through the devolution of power away from Washington, D.C. via peaceful secession and nullification, the original American ideals.
Thomas Jefferson understood that democracy could never work in a country as large as the U.S., let alone one with more than 300 million people. In a January 29, 1804 letter to Dr. Joseph Priestly he wrote: “Whether we remain one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, I believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the eastern.”
On the topic of secession, Jefferson continued: “[D]id I now foresee a separation at some future day, yet I should feel the duty & the desire to promote the western interests as zealously as the eastern, doing all the good for both portions of our future family which should fall within my power.”
When the New England Federalists were threatening secession, Jefferson wrote to his friend John C. Breckinridge on August 12, 1803 that if New England seceded and created a second confederacy, “God bless them both if it be for their good, but separate them, if it is better.”Unlike Lincoln, Jefferson did not believe in threatening “bloodshed” in the case of a “separation” or secession. He understood that such behavior would be a moral abomination and an unimaginable act of barbarianism.
A civilized society does not wage total war on “our children,” as Jefferson described the future citizens of a new state formed by an act of secession.
Yet it is Lincoln, not Jefferson, who is portrayed by American court historians as a kindly, benevolent, and charitable angel…………………..
That’s an interesting way of looking at it. Your last line in the book is, “The genie is out of the bottle.”The genie of centralization. Lincoln let it out of the bottle, for sure.Do you expect it to ever go back, as the United States?Seriously, the only way it could, would be secession. If a big chunk of the United States actually seceded from the federal government and pained it a bit and deprived it of a large amount of its revenue. Otherwise, how else could it possibly happen?Could it possibly return to limited government roots? I can’t see how it could possibly happen.I’m not very optimistic anymore. I was more optimistic when communism fell. I never thought I’d see communism collapse in my lifetime. But, I was thinking for a while, well, if it could happen there, we can get rid of our rotten system. But, the Republican Party, which is in power and in control of things, worked out the direction. They, now, no longer oppose the welfare state. In fact, they’re expanding it because they want to win the votes from all the people on welfare.Sons of Lincoln. I keep having to say it.Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us.
Eric W. Dolan
Nov 10, 2010
Appearing on the The Daily Show Monday to promote his new book, Texas Governor Rick Perry, a potential contender for the Republican nomination in 2012, denied being a secessionist and attacked the progressive movement of the 1920’s.
Although the governor has not explicitly supported the secession of Texas, his strong stance on the state sovereignty and comments he has made have caused some to wonder.
“Would you like to see, at some level, Texas as its own country?” asked Jon Stewart, the host of the show.
“A little bit? A little bit? United Republic of Texas?”
“No,” answered Perry.
For much of the interview, Perry attacked the size and power of the federal government.“If you want to know when Washington really got off the track — the 16th amendment, giving them the opportunity to take your money with a personal income tax,” said Perry.
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