Gunny G: Do Marines Surrender?



I have been online since about 1997 (at that time with my WebTV) and most of my postings at that time were on the topic of USMC history and/or related subjects.



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Even though I always had my own websites, blogs, bulletin boards, forums–call them what you will…I did a lot of posting to bulletin boards/forums around the net; consequently, much of my stuff is out there somewhere in cyberspace or lost.


The following is an example of such.


And, many of my sites have gone belly-up over the years, for one reason or another.



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I do, occasionally find some of my old stuff while cruising about the net, and when i do so i usually just go ahead and blog it, else I’ll likely never find it again.


-Gunny G


aka: Dick Gaines




Do Marines Surrender? A controversial subject.


Now and then this question comes up, but usually Marines seem to have little in the way of facts for their assumptions, etc. Nor is there a complete summing up of the subject in any one place under one title; but the info is out there, though somewhat piecemeal. George Smith’s book, “Carlson’s Raid,” devotes an entire chapter, for instance, to the surrender note controversy re Carlson’s attempted surrender during the Makin Raid of 17-18 August 1942.


Evans Carlson

Evans Carlson (Photo credit: Wikipedia)


Yes, Marines have surrendered. It’s just one more aspect of the profession of arms.


Most notably, there have been occurances of such for the Marine Corps, in the opening days of World War Two at Guam, the Phillipines, Wake Island, and China. And then there was the little-known, for many years, surrender attempt during the Makin Island Raid.



Later, in Korea, 1950 there was a surrender that occurred at Hell Fire Valley during the Chosin Reservoir operation.


There were also Marine surrenders that occurred even further back through Marine Corps history during the 1700s and civil wartimes. (See Nofi’s Book of Lists.)


Most Marines prefer not to discuss Marine surrenders nor to admit that there has ever been such.


Here is one remark from Evans F. Carlson himself, as found in Gen. Peatross’ book, “Bless ‘Em All,”


“…While discussing the various aspects of the raid,the only critique of the operation there would ever be Carlson suddenly had paused and, almost self critically and apropos of nothing, interjected: No commander ever expects to fail in an operation, but he should have a plan ready, ….”


Is it dishonorable for a Marine to surrender under such conditions?


In addition, there are various aspects of accepted Marine Corps history that people are either entirely ignorant of, and/or prefer to disregard/deny. For instance, the phony red stripe story regarding Chapultapec; Tun Tavern vs. Conestoga Wagon as the birthplace of the Corps, etc. Gen Simmons goes so far as to write that July 11, 1798 is the true birthday of the Corps.


Marine Corps historians, including BGen Edwin Simmons, have brought examples of these things out………




via Do Marines Surrender?.





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About Gunny G

GnySgt USMC (Ret.) 1952--'72 PC: History, Poly-Tiks, Military, Stories, Controversial, Unusual, Humorous, etc.... "Simplify...y'know!"
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