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Gunny G’s Marines History and Traditions: On “Fragging”….

April 11, 2012 1 comment

Recently, one of these forums here contained mention, in part, of the subject of “fragging” in Vietnam. People seldom mention personal knowledge of such things, although the subject has been discussed in detail long since Vietnam days. What made me think of this was that one of the posters who brought up the subject, was shortly thereafter responded to by another poster who took the poster to task for seemingly condoning such a thing.

I intended to begin this post with that thread, but I cannot seem to locate it now. Regretable, as the responder had stated to the effect that “fragging” was murder, and that no Marine should be a party to and/or condone murder. in any case, I applaud the now unknown responder who had both the decency and courage to respond as he did.

The following are some excerpts from articles on the topic. I am surprised that there is not more material available on this subject.

The following from the thread…

http://www.grunt.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=62910&SearchTerms=heinl

The Collapse Of The U.S. Armed Forces

“Frag incidents” or just “fragging” is current soldier slang in Vietnam for the murder or attempted murder of strict, unpopular, or just aggressive officers and NCOs. With extreme reluctance (after a young West Pointer from Senator Mike Mansfield’s Montana was fragged in his sleep) the Pentagon has now disclosed that fraggings in 1970(109) have more than doubled those of the previous year (96).

Word of the deaths of officers will bring cheers at troop movies or in bivouacs of certain units.

In one such division — the morale plagued Americal — fraggings during 1971 have been authoritatively estimated to be running about one a week.

Yet fraggings, though hard to document, form part of the ugly lore of every war. The first such verified incident known to have taken place occurred 190 years ago when Pennsylvania soldiers in the Continental Army killed one of their captains during the night of 1 January 1781.”

Ref

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/Vietnam/heinl.html#0

“A Comparison Of Marine and army Performance”

Fragging

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Gunny G: “Fragging,” Mutiny, Shooting Deserters Under Fire, etc.

March 17, 2011 Leave a comment

Gunny G: “Fragging,” Mutiny, Shooting Deserters Under Fire, etc.

NOTE:
Retrieved from an old (2005) Gunny G webpage…
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On “Fragging” And Such…

Recently, an online forum contained mention, in part, of the subject of “fragging” in Vietnam. People seldom mention personal knowledge of such things, although the subject has been discussed in detail long since Vietnam days.

What made me think of this was that one of those who brought up the subject, was shortly thereafter responded to by another  who took him to task for seemingly condoning such a thing.

I intended to begin this post with that thread, but I cannot seem to locate it now. The responder had stated to the effect that “fragging” was murder, and that no Marine should be a party to and/or condone such acts.

In any case, I applaud the now unknown responder who had  the courage to respond as he did.

The following are some excerpts from articles on the topic and related information.

I am surprised that there is not more material available on this subject, though there is much info on desertion during WWII ETO.
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The following is by Col R.D. Heinl USMC (Ret.)

The Collapse Of The U.S. Armed Forces”

“Frag incidents” or just “fragging” is current soldier slang in Vietnam for the murder or attempted murder of strict, unpopular, or just aggressive officers and NCOs. With extreme reluctance (after a young West Pointer from Senator Mike Mansfield’s Montana was fragged in his sleep) the Pentagon has now disclosed that fraggings in 1970(109) have more than doubled those of the previous year (96).

Word of the deaths of officers will bring cheers at troop movies or in bivouacs of certain units.

In one such division — the morale plagued Americal — fraggings during 1971 have been authoritatively estimated to be running about one a week.

Yet fraggings, though hard to document, form part of the ugly lore of every war.
The first such verified incident known to have taken place occurred 190 years ago when Pennsylvania soldiers in the Continental Army killed one of their captains during the night of 1 January 1781.”

Ref
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/Vietnam/heinl.html#0

“A Comparison Of Marine and army Performance”

Fragging
Read more…

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